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Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

Gym Leader Rules
For official tournament rules please see below

Will has taken over the Summer Championship. If you have any questions I advise you ask them on the Facebook event page here.
https://www.facebook.com/events/447010342063452/

I am starting to recruit for Gym Leaders for this summers championship. If you want to become a gym leader please let me know by posting here. Don't tell me when I am in Antics as I am busy and will forget later so let me know by posting in this thread or posting in the Pokémon Antics group on Facebook. Let me know who you are and what type of gym you want to be and if you have planned your gym already, let me know the team so I can make your trainer card. Positions for Elite 4 are not open as they will be filled by the current members or one of the reserves I know of.

Current Gym Leaders and their types are as follows and may be subject to change.
Gym Leaders:
To see the list of Gym Leaders and Elite 4, check out the event page where some of them will be revealed.

Rules for Gym Leaders and Elite 4
Gym Leaders follow the same tournament rules as bellow but also have a few other restrictions in place. So Gym Leaders will need to be resourceful with what they have got.
All Gym Leaders pokémon have to share one common type i.e. Ground, Ice etc. Elite 4 and the champion do not have to follow this rule.
Elite 4 may double as Gym Leaders if they wish and if we don't have enough gyms on the day but will have to have a team different to their Elite 4 team.
Each Gym Leader and Elite 4 are to choose a battle type. Singles, Double, Tag Team, Triple, Rotation. All their battles are to be carried out as that battle type.
Choose a challenge number. That number is the number of Pokémon from their team of 6 that the challenger can face you with (Between 2-4 Pokémon, this is to stop battles dragging out too long). You are also to choose up to the same amount that you stated. Though you and the challenger are perfectly fine to use fewer Pokémon you are not obligated to match each others numbers if one chooses to use fewer Pokémon than stated.
Elite 4 and the champion can have up to 6 Pokémon in their team and the challenger can use up to 6 if they wish.
You don't have to be a majorly good player to be a gym leaders. I want Gym Leaders of varying strength so that challengers of different strength can all have a chance at winning a badge. Try not to use the same Pokémon from your team over and over, Keep people guessing how your next play will go.

Gym Tag Team 1 Tag Team only
If two Gym Leaders wish to double up with a second Gym Leader, the pair count as two badges as they will both have two different types respectively. E.g. One leader will use Fire only, the other would use flying only.
You still have 6 Pokémon each.
When challenged, the challenger has to use someone who has not yet defeated the gym as a partner.
Loosing to this gym only counts as one life lost not two.
If one gym leaders Pokémon are defeated but not the others, then the losing Gym Leader gives away his badge to both challengers.
Due to game restrictions you can only have between 1-3 Pokémon each from your teams of 6. Let the challengers know they each have to choose the same amount that you have.

Official Tournament Rules
May be subject to change

The Challenge
Defeat our 8 Gym Leaders and earn their badges
Face the Elite 4. A one off run through of our 4 top players.
Take a shot at the title of Champion Pete aka. Whiptail Crow and take their place as the Plymouth Pokémon Champion.
Think it's easy? Even if you are strong enough to fell the gyms and crush the Elite, Pete is one of our strongest trainers and very rarely beaten... I know I have tried.

When facing Gym Leaders you may face them in any order. If you fail to defeat one, you may try again later, however there is a catch. I am introducing a limit to retries as there are many who start at the beginning of the day who will retry several times until they finally defeat a gym leader while those that can only come in later can only retry a gym leader once before time runs out. But don't fret, you may try several times against the same gym leader but your total retries of the tournament are limited to 7 (7 lives). This allows you the equivalent of facing each gym leader twice with an extra attempt for good measure. So lets say you defeat Gyms 1-3 on the first turn but fail the next 5, you can re-challenge those 5 again and have 2 attempts left over should you fail any of the others a second time.

What you need
One of the Gen V games. Black/White or Black2/White2 this is due to cross generation incompatibility.
A team. 6 of your finest Pokémon. Pokémon from all generations are welcome.
You can not have the same Pokémon twice in your team.
You can not have a lower evolved form of a Pokémon in your team. Though you may have the lower evo on it's own and you may have a pokemon from a different evolutionary branch. e.g. You can have Eevee, but you can not have Eevee if you also have a Flareon or one of it's evolved forms. But you may have a Flareon and a Jolteon on the same team which are different evolutionary branches so long as you don't have their lower form Eevee as well.
You may have one Pokémon in your team which is from the restricted list.
You may not have any Pokémon from the banned list. (See Below)
Item Clause: Pokémon may hold items but you may not give 2 Pokémon the same item. (See Below)
Your Pokémon can not have any moves or items from the banned list. (See Below)
No hacked pokémon. Play the game fairly and challenge yourself. Anyone can make an uber pokémon by cheating so don't spoil the game.
Each Gym Leader will tell you the maximum number of Pokémon you may challenge them with so any more than that are to go into your box before to challenge them. The Gym Leader will challenge you with up to the same number as they have stated.

Banned Pokémon
150: Mewtwo
151: Mew
249: Lugia
250: Ho-Oh
382: Kyogre
383: Groudon
384: Rayquaza
385: Jirachi
386: Deoxys (All Forms)
483: Dialga
484: Palkia
487: Giratina (All Forms)
491: Darkrai
492: Shaymin (All Forms)
493: Arceus
494: Victini
643: Reshiram
644: Zekrom
646: Kyurem (All Forms)
647: Keldeo (All Forms)
648: Meloetta (All Forms)
649: Genesect

Banned Dream World Ability Pokémon
257: Blazekin [Speed Boost]
632: Durant [Truant]

Limited Pokémon
144: Articuno
145: Zapdos
146: Moltres
149: Dragonite
202: Wobbuffet
243: Raikou
244: Entei
245: Suicune
248: Tyranitar
251: Celebi
360: Wynaut
373: Salamence
376: Metagross
377: Regirock
378: Regice
379: Registeel
380: Latias
381: Latios
445: Garchomp
480: Uxie
481: Mesprit
482: Azelf
485: Heatran
486: Regigigas
488: Cresselia
489: Phione
490: Manaphy
530: Excadrill
635: Hydreigon
638: Cobalion
639: Terrakion
640: Virizion
641: Tornadus (All Forms)
642: Thundurus (All Forms)
645: Landorus (All Forms)

Banned Dream World Ability Pokémon
257: Blazekin [Speed Boost]
632: Durant [Truant]

Any Pokémon that have not had their Dream World ability officially released.

Banned Items
Soul Dew

Restricted Items: You may Only have one item in your team from this list.
Choice Band
Choice Scarf
Choice Specs
Focus Band
Focus Sash

Banned Moves
All one hit KO moves are banned:
Fissure
Guillotine
Horn Drill
Sheer Cold
Minimize (Double Team is still fine)
Sky Drop (Glitched)

Sleep Clause: You can not put more than one Pokémon on your opponents team to sleep at the same time. This does not count if the second Pokémon was put to sleep by the effects of a Pokémon Ability or if the opponent has put their own Pokémon to sleep after you have put one of their other Pokémon to sleep or in the same turn.

Prizes

There will be several prizes up for grabs but I will also be giving each Gym Leader 3 eggs. These eggs are to be given out to the first 3 people to beat them and will contain a female with a hidden ability. No one will know which are which.
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WhiptailCrow · Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 196 Location: Plymouth

I assume the rules we're going off are these: http://yugiohplymouth.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2891. If so, I've a few thoughts:

I've seen some events with rules to help prevent ties. Typically it's last Pokémon standing, even if both are knocked out by the same move. So the user of Explosion or Destiny Bond would lose since the user faints first before any damage is done, but the user of a move with recoil (or Life Orb) would win since they knocked out the opponent before themselves. If that sounds like too much hassle, the result of a tie could just be up to the Gym Leader (based on luck, 'hax', cool moves, or whatever).

Keldeo, Kyurem, Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus should all have All Forms against them now, just in case it's not obvious to people.

I don't think Wobbuffet and Wynaut are as big a pain as they once were. Perhaps move Wobbuffet to Limited and unrestrict Wynaut? If the evolution lines rule stays the same you wouldn't be able to use both on your team anyway.

Maybe ignore the 'Restricted Items' bit, and just stick with the Item Clause and Soul Dew ban.

I don't see any mention of an Evasion clause or any weather rules. The last event worked fine without these rules, but I'd guess these would be the most discussed if more restrictions were to be added.
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The Shadow Overlord · Joined: 28 Apr 2009 Posts: 132 Location: Plymouth

Don't allow 1 uber, as everyone will have a pokemon that will easily take out eachothers team :L. I personally think it should stay at 1 psudo legendary/ legendary with 600 base stat total. However,

Personally, i would like the team number to go back down to 6, as it adds a limit which makes people think more about the choices they make with their moves and pokemon. Personally, i find this very fun and challenging Very Happy

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Also, this is just a suggestion, but how about rounds of swiss?? I know its different and everyone loves them, but its something different and i personally want to try it out. Even if it isn't in this event.
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The Shadow Overlord · Joined: 28 Apr 2009 Posts: 132 Location: Plymouth

Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

Yeah, I have already been thinking about keeping items to just the item clause and Soul Dew ban.

I am still mixed about the teams of 6 or 10 the reason being was that for the Gym Leader parts of the tournament I wanted people to be able to adapt a little easier by being able to try out different teams against Gym Leaders and also so that Gym Leaders could change and adapt by not being stuck with the same few Pokémon for so long. If they got stuck with the same 6 it became too easy for people to adapt to the Gym Leaders strategies quicker. By having 10 it threw a few wild cards in but only if the Gym Leader wanted to. To be honest though I think the most I ever saw a Gym Leader have was 9 and most including myself only had 8 which is why I am still in two minds about it. Maybe 10 is too much but I think 6 made it too easy for some people.

Other people I have spoken with have been happy with the current ban list and I thought Waubufett had already been moved to limited but it will be added regardless. I will be adding all forms to any banned Pokémon, thanks for reminding me of that. I don't think the Djinn trio are banned but I will take a look to see if I should be banning their alt forms, not seen them in action yet.

The evasion clause, I don't tend to agree with it as I believe what people call Hax is just being silly. The Hax is something I see as being a desperation strategy as it works on luck. If your cornered and can not win through force, you try riskier tactics which will help turn the tide, but if your stupid enough to keep trying them too much due to the risk factor of them failing, then it's your fault if they turn around and bite you back in the ass. My opinion though may be due to a lack of experience in the gaming circuit itself but that's my opinion on it. It is still open for discussion. We still have a few months before I set everything in stone hence why I am trying to work out rules now. Besides, this is not quite player Vs. player in the traditional rounds of swiss style as people may want to resort to riskier tactics to take out a Gym Leader.

As for ties I have usually mentioned on the day that it is Gym Leaders discretion and I believe they usually decide for themselves regardless after the first tournament when one of the Gyms met with a tie and made a decision which I told him was fine with whatever he decided. I surprisingly never met with a tie with my Exploding ghost team as by coincidence when the other ghosts were taken out before the initial explosion, my Drifblim would usually leave someone alive. But due to the nature of the team I would have classed the game as their loss if I exploded to cause a tie. But for other teams I have always thought I would keep it as last man standing. So that is why I keep it to the Gym Leaders discretion, there may be something about the team that makes the Gym Leader feel that a tie in certain circumstances may not be enough to class as a win.

I have had plans to Add rounds of swiss to the end of the second tournament to help eliminate some of the number of people who were facing the Elite 4, but I soon found out I did not have time to do that which is why rounds of Swiss have never been added. I also only plan to run one tournament and make this personally my last one and pass the torch to someone else but I will sort that out in the Summer.

I am reviewing weather clause again as I found that I was a little too steep on it last time compared to how others run it, as for the evasion abilities, they were not the ones I restricted, just weather and speed boosting abilities. I believe most clauses only ban the drizzle and swift swim combo but leave things like sunny day and chloroform or as I have been trying to avoid with my new gym Sandstream and Sand Rush. Though I will be going for a mould breaker Drilbur so part of the problem is solved but I still want my Sand Rush Sandslash. So far I have chosen not to go for Hippowdon.

For prizes I plan to give each Gym Leader 6 random eggs. I will test hatch them and reset to see if each egg is appropriate. But the idea is the first 6 people to defeat a Gym Leader will get a random hidden ability female egg. Some good, like Marvel Scale Dratini, some might be bad or common like Regenerator Foongus. What other prizes would people like to see. I might be able to get a few prizes this time. Usually its cards and little figures, but is there something that people can think of (That I can afford Very Happy

) that they think would make a good prize.

I am also wondering if I should give each entry a number of lives. The problem with that is once someone has lost their lives, they either have to restart or they may not want to keep playing, making the experience boring. But I found we sometimes got a few too many people into the Elite 4 stage because they were in earlier and so got to fight the same Gym leader they had problems with 6 or 7 times before they finally won while players that came in later would only get to face a gym leader 2-3 times. If I do lives, should I make the lives per gym leader or as a whole.
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PJ · Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 478

Wobbuffet is really strong though. Switch on Wobbuffet, encore and then take your pick between mirror coat and counter.
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AJames · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject:

Here's my two cents on the event.

1. I would suggest 6 Pokemon instead of 10 as it separates the men from the boys. If I play I'd go with 6 anyway.

2. Ban all ubers but keep psuedos as you call them.

3. To add some strategy to the tournament how about banning using the same move twice in a row unless of course the Pokemon you used beforehand faints and you're using a different Pokemon with the same move. For example I use Magmar and I use Flamethrower and then Magmar faints from an attack. I then choose to use Charizard and can use Flamethrower because he/she is a different Pokemon. This does mean however that some items would be banned that can only allow you to use 1 move. However if a Pokemon has been hit by Encore or has used Outrage or other moves that allow them to only use 1 move then this is allowed.
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Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

Your rule has given me an idea.
What if all Gym Leaders had 1 special rule which they and the contender have to play by.
So for example you have one gym leader who decides that no one can use the same move twice in a row. Another gym leader might choose no items or things like that. Maybe someone has a winning condition like win in 5 moves. Though rules and conditions would be decided in advance to make sure they were not too stupid. For example I would disagree with someone saying only Psychic moves could be used because not all contenders will have a Psychic move in their team. It could definitely add something different to the mix.
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Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

*Update* First Post has been updated with this information.

Here are my draft Rulings so far for the Summer Championships.

The Challenge
Defeat our 8 Gym Leaders and earn their badges
Face the Elite 4. A one off run through of our 4 top players.
Take a shot at the title of Champion Pete aka. Whiptail Crow
Think it's easy? Even if you are strong enough to fell the gyms and crush the Elite, Pete is one of our strongest trainers and very rarely beaten... I know I have tried.

What you need
A team. 6 of your finest Pokémon.
You can not have the same Pokémon twice in your team.
You can not have a lower evolved form of a Pokémon in your team. Though you may have the lower evo on it's own and you may have a pokemon from a different evolutionary branch. e.g. You can have Eevee, but you can not have Eevee if you also have a Flareon or one of it's evolved forms. But you may have a Flareon and a Jolteon on the same team which are different evolutionary branches so long as you don't have their lower form Eevee as well.
You may have one Pokémon in your team which is from the restricted list.
You may not have any Pokémon from the banned list. (See Below)
Item Clause: Pokémon may hold items but you may not give 2 Pokémon the same item. (See Below)
Your Pokémon can not have any moves or items from the banned list. (See Below)

Banned Pokémon
150: Mewtwo
151: Mew
249: Lugia
250: Ho-Oh
382: Kyogre
383: Groudon
384: Rayquaza
385: Jirachi
386: Deoxys (All Forms)
483: Dialga
484: Palkia
487: Giratina (All Forms)
491: Darkrai
492: Shaymin (All Forms)
493: Arceus
494: Victini
643: Reshiram
644: Zekrom
646: Kyurem (All Forms)
647: Keldeo (All Forms)
648: Meloetta (All Forms)
649: Genesect

Limited Pokémon
144: Articuno
145: Zapdos
146: Moltres
149: Dragonite
202: Wobbuffet
243: Raikou
244: Entei
245: Suicune
248: Tyranitar
251: Celebi
360: Wynaut
373: Salamence
376: Metagross
377: Regirock
378: Regice
379: Registeel
380: Latias
381: Latios
445: Garchomp
480: Uxie
481: Mesprit
482: Azelf
485: Heatran
486: Regigigas
488: Cresselia
489: Phione
490: Manaphy
530: Excadrill
635: Hydreigon
638: Cobalion
639: Terrakion
640: Virizion
641: Tornadus (All Forms)
642: Thundurus (All Forms)
645: Landorus (All Forms)

Banned Dream World Ability Pokémon
257: Blazekin [Speed Boost]
575: Gothorita [Shadow Tag]
576: Gothitelle [Shadow Tag]
Any Pokémon that have not had their Dream World ability officially released.

Banned Items
Soul Dew

Restricted Items: You may Only have one item in your team from this list.
Choice Band
Choice Scarf
Choice Specs
Focus Band
Focus Sash

Banned Moves
All one hit KO moves are banned:
Fissure
Guillotine
Horn Drill
Sheer Cold
Sky Drop (Glitched)

Sleep Clause: You can not put more than one Pokémon on your opponents team to sleep at the same time. This does not count if the second Pokémon was put to sleep by the effects of a Pokémon Ability or if the opponent has put their own Pokémon to sleep after you have put one of their other Pokémon to sleep.

Prizes

There will be several prizes up for grabs but I will also be giving each Gym Leader 3 eggs. These eggs are to be given out to the first 3 people to beat them and will contain a female with a hidden ability. No one will know which are which.
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Can you get past the savage dragons,
or out think the Psychics?

Challenge our Gym Leaders, face the Elite 4 and become Plymouth's Pokémon Champion.

Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

I would also like to discuss this little combo. For the moment I have banned Shadow Tag Gothitelle family until I have a better idea about this.

I came across this idea due to the fact that I had to know why Durant has a hidden ability of Truant. So I suspected it had Skill Swap. It does not but the move Entrainment is the equivelant..

Durant. + Speed nature. The reason for the speed nature is the fastest one switches out first and Durant is pretty fast with a 109 base speed. There are those that are faster but if you get caught off guard by starting off with a slow Pokémon, it's a death trap.
Durant uses Entrainment. The opponent has now got the same ability as you which is Truant. Truant means your Pokémon does nothing every other turn.

Switch out. If your faster you will switch first. Even better is if your opponent knocks you out after you use Entrainment as it means you will switch out before your opponent gets a chance.

Enter Gothitella -Speed Bulky Build. Gothitella prevents switching with her Shadow Tag ability. This means your opponent is stuck with a Pokémon that can only attack every other turn. You can wait you think and attack in two turns. Except that every other turn, when you can attack, Gothitella uses Protect. During the turns your new found ability Truant forces you to skip a turn, Gothitella uses Calm Mind. +Sp.A and Sp.D. once set up, with a massive attacking stat, if she knows your Pokémon are faster, which they likely are, then she sets up trick room. Now she will not only move first but she also hits hard. (actually it's a he since Shadow Tag came with event only male Gothitelles) Either way there are a few counters, but not many that are commonly used.

So would you say this justifies banning the Shadow Tag Gothitelle or maybe ban Truant Durant. There is not much about this online yet so I am guessing it's not used much as it is probably not that broken, but it may also be due to Shadow Tag Gothitelle only being a recent addition to the gaming circuit.

I would also like some oppinions on some new rulings I am trying out. A limit on the number of retries. When facing Gym Leaders you may face them in any order. If you fail to one, you may try again later, however there is a catch. I am introducing a limit to retrys as there are many who start at the beginning of the day who will retry several times until they finally defeat a gym leader while those that can only come in later can only retry a gym leader once before time runs out. But don't fret, you may try several times against the same gym leader but your total retries of the tournament are limited. I am allowing 7 retries. This allows you the equivalent of facing each gym leader twice with an extra attempt for good measure. So lets say you defeat Gyms 1-3 on the first turn but fail the next 5, you can re-challenge those 5 again and have 3 attempts left over should you fail any of the others a second time.
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Can you get past the savage dragons,
or out think the Psychics?

Challenge our Gym Leaders, face the Elite 4 and become Plymouth's Pokémon Champion.

Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

Change to the ban list.
I am no longer banning the Shadow Tag - Gothitella but banning the Truant - Durant due to other better viable combos with the Truant Entrainment combo to trapping ability. Only a Durant with that ability is banned, Durant with any other ability such as Swarm and Hustle are still fine.
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Can you get past the savage dragons,
or out think the Psychics?

Challenge our Gym Leaders, face the Elite 4 and become Plymouth's Pokémon Champion.

Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

I have just created the 32 eggs which will be used as prizes. Each egg will contains a female Pokémon with it's Dream World ability. There are a few from the hidden hollows (Ones that are rare, such as the Vulpix and Polywag) most are dream world exclusive such as the Swift Swim Magicarp(Moxie Gyarados).
All eggs are obtainable by being one of the first 4 to defeat a gym leader. You can get more than one egg by defeating different gym leaders, each will have 4 Pokémon. This is perfect for those who do not have access to the dream world or just don't have any luck getting that certain Pokémon.
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Can you get past the savage dragons,
or out think the Psychics?

Challenge our Gym Leaders, face the Elite 4 and become Plymouth's Pokémon Champion.

Knightmair · Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 270 Location: Plymouth

I am unable to host this tournament this year and as such I have cancelled unless someone else wants to take over. If someone else does take over I am willing to provide the templates for the poster and trainer cards but will not be involved in planning or setup. Sorry to those who were looking forward to this but I have decided to priorities other things.
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Can you get past the savage dragons,
or out think the Psychics?

Challenge our Gym Leaders, face the Elite 4 and become Plymouth's Pokémon Champion.